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Opened 3 years ago

Closed 2 years ago

Last modified 2 years ago

#1959 closed defect (worksforme)

Missing sub-forum description

Reported by: netweb Owned by:
Milestone: Priority: normal
Component: Support Forums Keywords:
Cc:

Description

Aka Forum descriptions behaving badly

The forum list at https://wordpress.org/support/ includes a "Hacks" forum though no forum description is shown on the forum list:

  • https://cldup.com/hXmqFHe1Dv.png

The forum description does include the forum description For Plugin Coding and Core hacking discussion on the forums summary page https://wordpress.org/support/wp-admin/edit.php?post_type=forum:

  • https://cldup.com/KFqkPlVjKO.png

Attempting to edit a forums description to update its description you'll discover the forum description is empty contrary to above and is also not editable:

Plugins and Hacks:

  • https://cldup.com/ekueQtAR7b.png

Hacks

  • https://cldup.com/ZQwg53efNG.png

Change History (13)

#1 @ocean90
3 years ago

  • Keywords needs-patch added
  • Summary changed from Missing and uneditable forum descriptions to Missing sub-forum description

Looks like the editor didn't load correctly, I can edit them.

The description is missing because bbp_list_forums() doesn't support descriptions: https://meta.trac.wordpress.org/browser/sites/trunk/wordpress.org/public_html/wp-content/themes/pub/wporg-forums/bbpress/loop-forums.php#L20

#2 follow-up: @Ipstenu
3 years ago

Serious question time - Why not merge them into one forum? We don't have a separate 'Templates' for "Themes and Templates" after all.

Paging: @otto42 @macmanx

#3 @macmanx
3 years ago

I'd be fine with merging them. The distinction has been getting blurred over the year, with the Hacks sub-forum becoming a popular destination for "My site was hacked," even when its description was clearly visible.

#4 @netweb
3 years ago

There's also 4 other locales using sub-forums:

Will look into getting descriptions populated for sub-forums.

#5 in reply to: ↑ 2 @netweb
3 years ago

Replying to Ipstenu:

Serious question time - Why not merge them into one forum? We don't have a separate 'Templates' for "Themes and Templates" after all.

Paging: @otto42 @macmanx

Via @jdembowski https://make.wordpress.org/support/2016/09/support-forum-upgrade-omgwtfbbq-master-list/#comment-172679

"The Hacks forum is very active and there’s hardly any topics that can’t be dealt with in Hacks. It’s a very active sub-forum."

#6 @Ipstenu
3 years ago

I get what Jan says, but what I'm suggesting is that I bet that if we split out 'non theme specific posts' from 'themes and templates' we'd see the same thing.

Do we NEED to have those split out like that? Functionally "Themes and Templates" is the same as the separate "Plugins" and "Hacks"

Would combining them be BAD? I'm not saying they're not active, that isn't the question at all. The question is "Why are we inconsistent" and "is it bad to be consistent"?

@jdembowski please come to Trac :)

Last edited 3 years ago by Ipstenu (previous) (diff)

#7 @jdembowski
3 years ago

*POOF!* Thus summoned, thus I appear!

I was commenting in that I do not think we need WP-Advanced anymore. There's really nothing there that can't be handled in the Hacks sub-forum.

Do we NEED to have those split out like that? Functionally "Themes and Templates" is the same as the separate "Plugins" and "Hacks"

Yes, functionally that's true and it's why Hacks is active IMHO.

#8 follow-up: @Ipstenu
3 years ago

So if we merged Plugins and Hacks into "Plugins and Hacks" (two to one) would that be BAD?

The fact that we're inconsistent is annoying :)

And I agree about WP Advanced.

#9 in reply to: ↑ 8 @jdembowski
3 years ago

Replying to Ipstenu:

So if we merged Plugins and Hacks into "Plugins and Hacks" (two to one) would that be BAD?

I think so. Hacks really is for coding questions.

The general "Plugins and Hacks" should be renamed "Plugin Support" or something with the more specific plugin support for the dedicated plugin sub-forums.

#10 @Ipstenu
3 years ago

Okay new question. Is hacks for "plugin only" coding questions or General weird code things.

Also. Is "Themes and Templates" for theme only support or general theme coding/development?

I know this isn't the 'fix' for the ticket, but since bbp_list_forums() doesn't support descriptions makes me think that 'sub forums' may not be the right solution. Are we making it harder for people to find the right place to get the right help?

#11 @jdembowski
3 years ago

Okay new question. Is hacks for "plugin only" coding questions or General weird code things.

Hacks is for General weird code things. Some of that is theme based such as getting post titles in the header outside of the loop for example.

Also. Is "Themes and Templates" for theme only support or general theme coding/development?

Yes. ;)

Are we making it harder for people to find the right place to get the right help?

Also yes. ;)

Hacks may not be a good sub-forum for "Plugins and Hacks" as it's become more general and includes non-plugin coding.

#12 @netweb
3 years ago

Related: #2191 Support Theme: Sub-forums are not discoverable

#13 @SergeyBiryukov
2 years ago

  • Keywords needs-patch removed
  • Resolution set to worksforme
  • Status changed from new to closed

The new Support theme only lists top-level forums on the home page, but does display sub-forum descriptions on individual forum pages:
https://id.wordpress.org/support/forum/komunitas/?new-theme=1
https://id.wordpress.org/support/forum/dukungan/?new-theme=1

Last edited 2 years ago by SergeyBiryukov (previous) (diff)
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