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Last modified 2 weeks ago

#7524 new enhancement

Update Full Site Editing Tag for block themes

Reported by: annezazu's profile annezazu Owned by:
Milestone: Priority: normal
Component: Theme Directory Keywords: needs-copy-review
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Description

Following on original efforts to add a block themes tab to the Theme Directory https://meta.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/6330 I'd like to propose we rename the "full site editing" tag to something more focused on site editor or site editing. Some ideas to start the convo:

  • Site Editor
  • Site Editor Enabled
  • Site Editor Support

This is also in line with the broader community push to not use the "Full site editing" term: https://make.wordpress.org/updates/2022/11/04/site-editor-a-more-user-friendly-name/ and I worry folks will have a hard time making the connection to the Site Editor.


Change History (16)

This ticket was mentioned in Slack in #core-themes by annezazu. View the logs.


4 weeks ago

#2 @greenshady
4 weeks ago

Should we be thinking about more feature-specific tags? It's my understanding that some support for "block theme features" will also be available for classic themes too at some point (like the Styles panel). For example, here's a list of some features that aren't fully represented by the current tags:

  • Site Editing
  • Style Editing
  • Font Collections
  • Starter Patterns
  • etc.

We have some of these like:

  • Template Editing
  • Style Variations
  • Block Editor Styles
  • Block Editor Patterns

It might be worth considering changing the user-facing labels for some of those too. For example, maybe "Block Editor Patterns" should just be "Patterns."

Maybe the Themes Team should gather again to overhaul the tags system for a modern WP. I realize I'm thinking a little bigger than this ticket's proposal, but it doesn't hurt to explore if we can take it the next step.

#3 @annezazu
4 weeks ago

I dig the longer term thinking (and had that thought when looking at the tags myself) so thanks for bringing it up. That might be better in a broader discussion and issue as I'd love to iterate on the current "full site editing" label for now rather than a broader overhaul.

#4 @nickhamze
4 weeks ago

I agree with Anne. Let's do it in steps. If we aren't using that term anymore let's change it. Who do we talk to make it happen?

#5 @dufresnesteven
3 weeks ago

That might be better in a broader discussion and issue as I'd love to iterate on the current "full site editing" label for now rather than a broader overhaul.

We'll need to rename the theme tag, probably add a mapping on .org to support existing ones, and update some references and documentation.

What label do we want to go with?

Code:
https://github.com/WordPress/wordpress.org/blob/237d35f236c8bfed5b01fa2747226ecc693ff070/wordpress.org/public_html/wp-content/plugins/theme-directory/theme-directory.php#L539

References:
https://meta.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/5212

Docs:
https://make.wordpress.org/themes/handbook/review/required/theme-tags/

This ticket was mentioned in Slack in #core-themes by annezazu. View the logs.


3 weeks ago

#7 @annezazu
3 weeks ago

Flagged once more in #core-themes and in #outreach to get more thoughts. For me, I'd want to go with "Site Editing". It's simple, matches documentation, and is in line with other tags there (particularly "Template Editing" which overlaps some).

#8 @greenshady
3 weeks ago

Agreed on keeping this ticket in scope. I tend to "think big," and wanted to get some initial thoughts out.

Let's definitely move forward with getting the Full Site Editing tag updated. For back-compatibility with current themes, we might consider keeping the underlying full-site-editing tag while updating the user-facing label, though it is still listed as "experimental" on Make Themes: https://make.wordpress.org/themes/handbook/review/required/theme-tags/#features-tags

That page probably needs an update to more accurately reflect the tag.

#9 @bacoords
3 weeks ago

I agree with Justin's idea that more feature-specific tags that blur classic/hybrid/block themes would be nice (font libary, block template editing) but would be a separate issue than just renaming the Full Site Editing tag.

Site Editing seems like the clearest option and follows the convention of other tags.

Another option would simply be Block Theme, which is much closer to what users are searching for and saying, and is the term used on the filter button, but not really as feature-specific as the current tag structure.

#10 @markhowellsmead
3 weeks ago

I agree that Site Editing or Site Editor make the most sense.

#11 @karmatosed
3 weeks ago

I really like the ease and understanding of Site Editing or Site Editor. I say ship that and go with things from there, it says what it has as functionality.

Last edited 3 weeks ago by karmatosed (previous) (diff)

#12 @mikachan
3 weeks ago

+1 for changing it to "Site Editing" or "Site Editor".

#13 @courane01
3 weeks ago

Site Editor I believe makes the most sense. I think about not only what we call it here, but in Appearance as well, and then what podcasters and the like will say. It makes sense to stay unified.

#14 in reply to: ↑ description @flexseth
2 weeks ago

Editor

Referring to anything you can do to change the look of content generated from the WordPress Block Editor.

At WordCamp Portugal, Matt said something about wanting to move the nomenclature from Site Editing and Full Site Editing to simply calling it the Editor

If Gutenberg were to be ported to another CMS, the term Editor would still apply.


Advanced example: Headless WordPress

There may be some headless features that would pertain to the Editor, but that wouldn't actually reflect the way this website is displayed. Only modeling the content.

Just my $.02


Replying to annezazu:

Following on original efforts to add a block themes tab to the Theme Directory https://meta.trac.wordpress.org/ticket/6330 I'd like to propose we rename the "full site editing" tag to something more focused on site editor or site editing. Some ideas to start the convo:

  • Site Editor
  • Site Editor Enabled
  • Site Editor Support

This is also in line with the broader community push to not use the "Full site editing" term: https://make.wordpress.org/updates/2022/11/04/site-editor-a-more-user-friendly-name/ and I worry folks will have a hard time making the connection to the Site Editor.


Last edited 2 weeks ago by flexseth (previous) (diff)

#15 @richtabor
2 weeks ago

I think “Site Editor” is the clearest.“Site Editing” isn’t a clear feature set, as you’d expect any theme to allow you to edit a site.

Just thinking out loud, but is there a reason not to tag them as “Block Theme”; that’d be the most comprehensible.

#16 @annezazu
2 weeks ago

@dufresnesteven let's roll with Site Editor since it matches current documentation and I think a holistic alignment always helps: https://wordpress.org/documentation/article/site-editor/

Can you (or someone) kick that off?

I do agree about in the future the "editor" will likely rule all but we're not quite there yet and I, at least, want to iterate us in the direction of where we are today and in the foreseeable future.

I think it would be neat to use "block themes" but, if I remember correctly, there were concerns this would be confused with other features, like Block Editor Styles or Block Editor Patterns. When an effort is done to overhaul the other tags, I could see a switch.

Thank you everyone for chiming in!

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