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Opened 14 months ago

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#3878 new enhancement

Adding Badges for WordCamp Volunteers and Attendees

Reported by: sebastienserre Owned by:
Milestone: Priority: normal
Component: Profiles Keywords: needs-patch 2nd-opinion
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Description

Hello,

I just come back from the Nice WordCamp (in Nice France) and realize that 2 badges are missing.

  • Volunteer: Without volunteer,there's no WordCamp, their job is wonderfull and a badge should be automaticclay or manually assigne by the lead organizator.
  • Attendees: because.... the same (without attendees no WordCamp and they're speaking around them about the events and our community so they allow the comunity to growth.

What are you thinking about this?

Change History (17)

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14 months ago

#2 follow-up: @crash_47
14 months ago

Oh, yes. I want badges too! 😁

#3 in reply to: ↑ 2 @sebastienserre
14 months ago

Replying to crash_47:

Oh, yes. I want badges too! 😁

Yeah! You can draw them and add them here ;-)

#4 @mukesh27
14 months ago

  • Keywords dev-feedback ui-feedback needs-patch added

Hi @sebastienserre, Welcome to WordPress Meta Trac! Thank you for your ticket.

I like you concept to add 2 new profile budges for WordCamp Volunteer and WordCamp Attendees. let's wait for Dev and Design team response on above thought.

Without Volunteer and Attendees WordCamp is not possible so system needs to give them profile budges so in feature WordCamp we got more application for Volunteer and Attendees. It's good way to enhance WordPress Community.

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14 months ago

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14 months ago

#7 @Kenshino
14 months ago

Those badges are a recognition to contribution towards WordPress. I'm not sure how that extends towards WordCamp attendees.

#8 @Kenshino
14 months ago

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#9 follow-ups: @hlashbrooke
14 months ago

I can say with a fair amount of certainty that we won't be adding a WordCamp attendee badge at any point - as @Kenshino says, the badges are for contributions to the WordPress project, and attending a WordCamp isn't exactly a contribution.

There is definitely room for a WordCamp Volunteer badge though - the main blocker to making that a possibility is having a realistic and reliable way of tracking who is volunteering at a WordCamp (and actually showing up for the work they have committed to doing. If we can work that out, then we can certainly look at adding a new badge for it.

#10 in reply to: ↑ 9 @mukesh27
14 months ago

@hlashbrooke thank you for your thoughts.

Replying to hlashbrooke:

I can say with a fair amount of certainty that we won't be adding a WordCamp attendee badge at any point - as @Kenshino says, the badges are for contributions to the WordPress project, and attending a WordCamp isn't exactly a contribution.

There is definitely room for a WordCamp Volunteer badge though - the main blocker to making that a possibility is having a realistic and reliable way of tracking who is volunteering at a WordCamp (and actually showing up for the work they have committed to doing. If we can work that out, then we can certainly look at adding a new badge for it.

#11 follow-up: @sebastienserre
14 months ago

Hello all and many thanks for your ansers,
I can understand giving a bagde to attendees seems too much but if we consider things... what is a WordCamp without Attendees ?
They will speak around them on these events and surely send good vibes about community... It's a kind of "evangelisation" and the start of a more effective contribution.

#12 in reply to: ↑ 11 ; follow-up: @hlashbrooke
14 months ago

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Replying to sebastienserre:

Hello all and many thanks for your ansers,
I can understand giving a bagde to attendees seems too much but if we consider things... what is a WordCamp without Attendees ?
They will speak around them on these events and surely send good vibes about community... It's a kind of "evangelisation" and the start of a more effective contribution.

I get what you're saying, but by the same logic we can say "What is WordPress without users?" and we would then have to give badges to everyone who has ever downloaded or used WordPress - they use it and could also spread the word about it.

Profile badges are designed to recognise people who make contributions to keeping the WordPress project growing and moving forward, so if we start giving them to everyone then it would dilute their purpose and make them all rather pointless.

#13 in reply to: ↑ 12 @sebastienserre
14 months ago

Replying to hlashbrooke:

I get what you're saying, but by the same logic we can say "What is WordPress without users?" and we would then have to give badges to everyone who has ever downloaded or used WordPress - they use it and could also spread the word about it.

Profile badges are designed to recognise people who make contributions to keeping the WordPress project growing and moving forward, so if we start giving them to everyone then it would dilute their purpose and make them all rather pointless.

I quiet disagree with this. Some users are using WordPress because their company use it, not by choice. In my opinion, this is not contribution using a software but going to an event, speaking about it, working on workshop is (allways IMO) Contribution.

#14 @sippis
14 months ago

I have to agree with @Kenshino and @hlashbrooke. Profile badges are for those who contribute to the WordPress project. As Profile Badges page say:

badges are added based on your contributions to the WordPress project. There are two kinds of badges: contributor and team. The contributor badges are generally assigned to anyone who has contributed to a particular team. Meanwhile, the team badges are given to those who are active on their team.

I do not want to sound uptight, rigorous or give the impression that I don't respect WordCamp attendees or volunteers - as @sebastienserre said, there wouldn't be any WordCamps without attendees or volunteers and WordPress would not succeed without its enthusiast users.

But if we see the scenario through, attendees are just basically coming to a ready-made event and are paying for it (small amount, but nevertheless). I think they are not contributing to the WordPress project itself in a way, they are just attending to WordPress event. If we start to add badges for WordCamps attendees on these grounds, WordPress meetup attendees should also get a badge.

What comes to volunteers, I again greatly respect each and one of them. WordCamps wouldn't function without them. At least we wouldn't have so cheap ticket prices without them contributing their own time. Usually, volunteers are giving a one to two, sometimes three days, their time for the event. In contrast to other community badges (speaker, organizer, deputy, mentor), that is considerably less time given to the WordPress project - as valuable as it is. But thinking in another way, you can also get a core or polyglots badge with a relatively small amount of work.

Some volunteers also contribute more their time than others, so who is going to draw the line what is enough for earning a badge and where the line will be drawn? For example, is it enough volunteering if you design a custom Wapuu for WordCamp, compared to handling cloakroom the whole event day? Organizers might have different opinions on this, which directly affects who will get the badge and who not.

Maybe I'm a bit more towards to think that volunteers should get profile badge. But at least for now, we don't have any viable way to make it happen. There isn't any database or special field to mark who has volunteered at WordCamp. Maybe someday we will have. If that day comes, we should add a WordCamp volunteer badge.

To end up with, I do want to again note that we wouldn't have WordPress or WordCamps without awesome, enthusiast users, attendees and volunteers. This community is great. We shouldn't give too much value to some profile badges on the internet. We need to show and give the respect and appreciation in person when we communicate or meet.

For me when I first time volunteered in WordCamp, our lead organizer inviting every volunteer on the stage during closing remarks and attendees giving huge applause was the best thanks.

Well, this comment ended up being longer than intended and did get somewhat side-tracked.

Last edited 14 months ago by sippis (previous) (diff)

#15 in reply to: ↑ description @abramoca
14 months ago

Replying to sebastienserre:

Ooooh I want too! Is nice!

#16 in reply to: ↑ 9 @dd32
14 months ago

FWIW I like the idea of a Volunteer badge, but for all the reasons outlined above I don't feel an Attendee badge is viable.

Replying to hlashbrooke:

There is definitely room for a WordCamp Volunteer badge though - the main blocker to making that a possibility is having a realistic and reliable way of tracking who is volunteering at a WordCamp (and actually showing up for the work they have committed to doing. If we can work that out, then we can certainly look at adding a new badge for it.

I think some WordCamps have re-used the organiser post-type for that, and it's teams functionality to differentiate between Organisers / Volunteers / Speaker Wranglers (which is a cross-over between Volunteers and Organisers for example).

Another option is that the Admin Flags get enabled for all sites by default with some default types, Organiser/Speaker/Sponsor/Volunteer but then we've still got the issue of matching an Attendee -> WordPress.org user.

#17 @francina
14 months ago

As stated before, a badge is given for contribution. While we all agree that without users WordPress wouldn't exist and without attendees WordCamps wouldn't happen, it feels quite a forced logic. Without the world wide web we wouldn't be here, without electricty the www wouldn't exist and basically we could go back to the dawn of times :)

As for Volunteers: we talked about this in the past https://make.wordpress.org/community/2017/08/09/recognise-volunteers-in-wordcamp-websites/
Main problem here is tracking who is actually showing up on the day. Flagging them with Admin Flag is easy enough, but then if something changes along the way, organisers would need to rectify this manually every time there is a change: our organisers are quite overworked as it is, no need to add more tasks to their list IMHO. So if we could create a CPT and make it easier to manage I am all for it!

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